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Well. Do homosexuals deserve all rights granted to heterosexuals?
I say yes. I'm not going to explain why, because this thread will most likely just go away again ._.
Yamiharrison
24-03-2005, 22:27
Obviously...Who cares what people have sex with. As long as they are progressive citizens then sure, give them rights.
Yes they should because they haven't done anything wrong. They aren't any worse than a Japanese person, or an African, or any other person like that.
Hey if they want rights, they can have them for all i care. So long as they dont try to stab me in the pooper. Besides the perks of gay couples wanting the rights as married couples is because of mostly judical stuff or court cases they may/may not get involved in. I forgot why but there was something that married couples have as a right if either spouse goes trial, i dont know i have to look it up again.
Anti Cide
26-03-2005, 09:07
Once again it's fine for the people to have thier rights I mean love is love isn't it? As long as they could keep it under controll as any other type of wedding it'd be fine...I mean come on. Why would you not allow it, they're yet to state a good reason. Or one at all.
Why would you not allow it, they're yet to state a good reason. Or one at all.
The main arguements people usually come up with are that it goes against nature and the bible.
It does go against nature, but that doesn't make it wrong.
Saying it goes against the bible is the worst arguement ever. God is supposed to love all people. Yet the book that is about him tells people that homosexuality is wrong, and those people are sinners. Doesn't add up.
Anti Cide
26-03-2005, 21:22
No it doesn't...But I mean most of the things we do now and day goes against the bible, I'm sure cloning goes against the bible in there also. Even though they say it's for the good...They're playing god. Yet there is everything wrong with this.
I have yet to meet a Christian who I can't convince that homosexuality isn't a sin (Although they don't admit it, they just leave in a bad mood). I can usually prove it's not really against nature as well.
The main arguements people usually come up with are that it goes against nature and the bible.
It does go against nature, but that doesn't make it wrong.
Saying it goes against the bible is the worst arguement ever. God is supposed to love all people. Yet the book that is about him tells people that homosexuality is wrong, and those people are sinners. Doesn't add up.
Well the way i put it when someone trys to use the bible to make something wrong is this...The bible is not devine mandate. Chruch laws and the bible were written/translated by man, and both are fallible. Devine mandate is the written word of God himself, so unless god sends an email to the pope that homos are evil, then you should believe church laws.
Once again, let them have their rights.
Anti Cide
26-03-2005, 23:38
I have yet to meet a Christian who I can't convince that homosexuality isn't a sin (Although they don't admit it, they just leave in a bad mood). I can usually prove it's not really against nature as well.
You've met me, haven't you...? But yeah alot of it doesn't add up. I clearly don't think it's a sin or don't have a problem with it.
BlackObsidian
28-03-2005, 10:53
If I fall in love with or have sex with a girl who is short is it a Sin or Morally Incorrect?
What about a fat girl?
What about an older woman?
What about someone with a physical disability? What if I fall in love with a girl in that kind of unfortunate situation?
What happens if I have a friend who's female and who I've know for my entire childhood? What if I love her company and if I had a choice I'd spend all day every day with her because she makes me feel fantastic about life? What if that respect and wanting to be with her so much is classed as loving her and eventually wanting to marry her and make love to her?
What happens if I have a friend who's male and who I've know for my entire childhood? What if I love his company and if I had a choice I'd spend all day every day with him because he makes me feel fantastic about life? What if that respect and wanting to be with him so much is classed as loving him and eventually wanting to marry him and make love to him?
Honestly I can't see a difference there at all apart from the fact one friend has drastically different genitalia.
Ultimately a person in either of those situations should have the right to spend their life being happy with their chosen partner without fear or persecution or hatred toward them because they've decided to spend their life with a companion of the same sex.
I can see how from a religious perspective it may be seen to be a sin but it's that person's choice. If the person follows the same religion as you then by all means express to them that in your opinion it's against your teachings but don't just assume that they follow your religion.
By persecuting them not only are you forcing your own religion onto them, you're also disrespecting their own religion.
mcaptain14
03-04-2005, 08:19
I think they do deserve equal rights as we do. As long as they dont come up to me wanting to join them, then im OK with them.
strangelyme
03-04-2005, 17:45
Saying it goes against the bible is the worst arguement ever. God is supposed to love all people. Yet the book that is about him tells people that homosexuality is wrong, and those people are sinners. Doesn't add up.
Everyone is a sinner, even christians, God does love them, just maybe not what they do.
As for homosexuality, even if i don't agree with it, they are people and they deserve the same rights as other people.
Yamiharrison
03-04-2005, 18:38
Okay, so there is this magical invisible man in the sky who sees everything you do at all times. If you don't follow his 10 rules then you will forever burn and you'll be miserable and in horrific pain but he loves you?
strangelyme
03-04-2005, 19:19
I believe if you wanted to debate that, you would do so in the religion thread ;)
Non Anti Oddity
05-04-2005, 02:43
Equal rights should be given to all without taking notice of race, gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, ect.
Equal rights should be given to all without taking notice of race, gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, ect.
amen, even though i am catholic, and the new pope is, well, evil against Fags and fruits, i think that they should have equal rights
TyinBakuda79
25-04-2005, 02:08
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan ya'll ALL contradicting yourselves!!!! Taking away a person unaliable rights goes against the Constitution, so that right there needs to be left alone. Homosexuality is wrong, point blank, end of discussion. Adam and Eve happened for a reason, and if you say they don't exist then that's a conversation you and Satin may have between yourselves.
Of course you can't convince no TRUE Christian that's it's wrong, because they know the law behind it. Read Romans 10 (many of you may have to go buy a Bible to read it). There was a reason Solomon and Gamora was destroyed by Fire and Brimstone.
Everyone haves they beliefs. Of course they should have freedom, but in the end they'll have to pay for what they've done, and those that hang around them (eventhogh it don't affect them) your just as wrong, because your letting them go down a evil path and you aren't trying to help them.
Of course other members are gonna come and contradict my beliefs, moral, and my "magical sky man", but what Jesus Christ said in the "Holy Bible" is what I will stick with and I'm becoming better at it...................
Excuse me, I didn't know Paul was suddenly elevated to a diety. Last I checked, he's a human.
Brothers and sisters, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. I can testify that they have a zeal for God, but it is not enlightened. For, being ignorant of the righeousnesss that comes from God, and seeking to establish their own, they have no submitted to God's righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Moses writes concerning the righteousness that comes from the law, that "the people who does these things will live by them." But the righteousness that comes from faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down) "or 'Who will descend into the abyss?"'" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
Sorry, have to take a quick pause here, but isn't that last bit what you're doing? Saying that all homosexuals are going to descend into the abyss? (pwned by your own quote...)
But what does it say?
"the word is near you,
on your lips and in your heart"
(that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For one believes with the heart and so is justified, and one confesses with the mouth and so is saved
This here's saying that, no matter what, as long as someone believes in their heart and says "Yes, I believe in God", they'll be saved and go to heaven. Nothing there about "Unless they're a homosexual".
The scripture says, "No one who believes in him will be put to shame." For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord if Lord of all and is generous to all who call on him. For, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
As above.
But how are they to call on one in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in one of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone to proclaim him? And how are they to proclaim him unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" But not all have obeyed the good news; for Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ.
But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have; for
"Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to the ends of the world."
Again I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says,
"I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation;
with a foolish nation I will make you angry."
Then Isaiah is so bold as to say,
"I have been found by those who did not seek me;
I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me."
But of Israel he says, "All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people."
I think you may have picked the wrong chapter there... You seem to have picked the one that seems to counter your argument, rather than one that goes with your argument... Sorry.
(Just for the record, all quotes are from the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible)
TyinBakuda79
25-04-2005, 12:03
............What??? That's a shame your contradicting yourself, why you ask??? Because your missing the point. I won't waste words on deaf ears.........
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan ya'll ALL contradicting yourselves!!!! Taking away a person unaliable rights goes against the Constitution, so that right there needs to be left alone. Homosexuality is wrong, point blank, end of discussion. Adam and Eve happened for a reason, and if you say they don't exist then that's a conversation you and Satin may have between yourselves.
Of course you can't convince no TRUE Christian that's it's wrong, because they know the law behind it. Read Romans 10 (many of you may have to go buy a Bible to read it). There was a reason Solomon and Gamora was destroyed by Fire and Brimstone.
Everyone haves they beliefs. Of course they should have freedom, but in the end they'll have to pay for what they've done, and those that hang around them (eventhogh it don't affect them) your just as wrong, because your letting them go down a evil path and you aren't trying to help them.
Of course other members are gonna come and contradict my beliefs, moral, and my "magical sky man", but what Jesus Christ said in the "Holy Bible" is what I will stick with and I'm becoming better at it...................
You say we can all have our beliefs, but yet you say anything we say or do that you don't agree with is going to cause us to burn? You are yet another example of the effects of religion upon the world.
TyinBakuda79
25-04-2005, 21:18
And is it really my fault that is it put that way for me to believe?! What right is right and what's wrong is wrong. If you choose to go down a particular path, then by all means do it, but the only way you'll know for yourself is when you perish. I can't help the fact we all pay a price for what we do, so don't put it as if I made this up myself.........
And is it really my fault that is it put that way for me to believe?! What right is right and what's wrong is wrong. If you choose to go down a particular path, then by all means do it, but the only way you'll know for yourself is when you perish. I can't help the fact we all pay a price for what we do, so don't put it as if I made this up myself.........
It's your choice to believe it. And to believe so completly in religion, and saying that everything wrong you do will have SEVERE punishment, is the utmost form of arrogance.
Non Anti Oddity
25-04-2005, 22:08
Religion is a horrible defense for saying Homosexuality is wrong. What of the people who don't follow that religion?
TyinBakuda79
26-04-2005, 01:06
And is that supposed to make me change my mind?!? Never that, but I could care less what you guys do or believe in. I gave you my feelings about it and I'll leave it at that.
............What??? That's a shame your contradicting yourself, why you ask??? Because your missing the point. I won't waste words on deaf ears.........
Wait, so, basically, I proved you wrong with your own evidence, therefore, you won't say anything else.
qed
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan ya'll ALL contradicting yourselves!!!! Taking away a person unaliable rights goes against the Constitution, so that right there needs to be left alone. Homosexuality is wrong, point blank, end of discussion. Adam and Eve happened for a reason, and if you say they don't exist then that's a conversation you and Satin may have between yourselves.
Of course you can't convince no TRUE Christian that's it's wrong, because they know the law behind it. Read Romans 10 (many of you may have to go buy a Bible to read it). There was a reason Solomon and Gamora was destroyed by Fire and Brimstone.
Everyone haves they beliefs. Of course they should have freedom, but in the end they'll have to pay for what they've done, and those that hang around them (eventhogh it don't affect them) your just as wrong, because your letting them go down a evil path and you aren't trying to help them.
Of course other members are gonna come and contradict my beliefs, moral, and my "magical sky man", but what Jesus Christ said in the "Holy Bible" is what I will stick with and I'm becoming better at it...................
It makes me laugh when people take the Bible as their evidence. The Bible is very metaphorical. Meaning, that the majority of things written in it aren't literally meaned. Also, The Bible was NOT written by God, it was written by many people over time. So you can't say that God hates homosexuality and use The Bible as proof, because God did NOT write The Bible.
And serriously, what's wrong with homosexuality? It isn't that much different from hetrosexuality. Instead of being for reproduction and sexual satisfaction, it is purely for sexual satisfaction. And that is a good thing, humans are a lot healthier if they are sexually satisfied. Take masturbation for example, it has been proven that masturbating five times a week will lower your risk of getting prostate cancer. If you ask me, that's a good thing. Although, The Bible states it as being something bad.
The point is, don't take The Bible as God's words. Because they are not. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. So just accept it. In your whole life time it probably wouldn't even affect you.
BlackObsidian
26-04-2005, 08:58
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan ya'll ALL contradicting yourselves!!!! Taking away a person unaliable rights goes against the Constitution, so that right there needs to be left alone. Homosexuality is wrong, point blank, end of discussion. Adam and Eve happened for a reason, and if you say they don't exist then that's a conversation you and Satin may have between yourselves.
Of course you can't convince no TRUE Christian that's it's wrong, because they know the law behind it. Read Romans 10 (many of you may have to go buy a Bible to read it). There was a reason Solomon and Gamora was destroyed by Fire and Brimstone.
Everyone haves they beliefs. Of course they should have freedom, but in the end they'll have to pay for what they've done, and those that hang around them (eventhogh it don't affect them) your just as wrong, because your letting them go down a evil path and you aren't trying to help them.
Of course other members are gonna come and contradict my beliefs, moral, and my "magical sky man", but what Jesus Christ said in the "Holy Bible" is what I will stick with and I'm becoming better at it...................
I think you'll find this is a Gay Rights thread, not a religion thread.
All I read in your post was "Jesus this, bible that, holy the other, chapter blah, Adam and Eve garden of blah"
Please keep your religious ramblings in the correct thread and debate the point in hand...
*Wanders off to have a conversation with his "Satin" bed sheets about whether Adam and Eve existed*
TyinBakuda79
26-04-2005, 11:43
Die.
?!?!?!
Wait, so, basically, I proved you wrong with your own evidence, therefore, you won't say anything else.
qed
What?! You think that getting on this thread, copying a text, manipulating on WHAT you THINK it says, makes you right?!?! Get over yourself!! Not only do you have much ignorance of God's word, but you haven't studied it long enough to quotes scriptures from heart. And how can you "Pawn" someone with the word of God???? Pitiful.......
And to the rest, I'm so sorry that you all have such evil thoughts........maybe it is easier to contradict good than evil. Like I said earlier, Gays can't and shouldn't have their rights taken away, but being a homosexual isn't right at all. I feel bad that no one is on my side, thinks i'm stupid, feels very hatred, and people actually wish death towards me............ :(
What?! You think that getting on this thread, copying a text, manipulating on WHAT you THINK it says, makes you right?!?! Get over yourself!! Not only do you have much ignorance of God's word, but you haven't studied it long enough to quotes scriptures from heart. And how can you "Pawn" someone with the word of God???? Pitiful.......
And to the rest, I'm so sorry that you all have such evil thoughts........maybe it is easier to contradict good than evil. Like I said earlier, Gays can't and shouldn't have their rights taken away, but being a homosexual isn't right at all. I feel bad that no one is on my side, thinks i'm stupid, feels very hatred, and people actually wish death towards me............ :(
You tell Wani to get over himself? How about you?
Oh, and people think you are stupid because all you can do is go on and on about religion. And the fact that you keep saying we have evil thoughts, which is a load of crap.
TyinBakuda79
26-04-2005, 12:17
Look, I don't even care. So what??? If we really look at it only one person really have a say-so about this whole situation. Sorry if I offened anyone and sorry I even posted. I know I'm wrong for bringing it all up, and I know I'm wrong for trying to help others.............yes your right I'm full of it..............but I'll never change my beliefs.
Wow, you are PATHETIC. If you really thought that, you wouldn't leave.
Dark_Metal_Magician
26-04-2005, 18:10
GOD will not judge people by which gender they had relationships with
but he/she will judge by if you were a good person!
TyinBakuda79
26-04-2005, 21:39
I still think that, but if you lie down with dogs, you'll rise with fleas. I don't surround myself with evil and if that makes me Pathetic, then so be it. Typing words can't hurt nobody.......
Yamiharrison
26-04-2005, 21:47
?!?!?!
What?! You think that getting on this thread, copying a text, manipulating on WHAT you THINK it says, makes you right?!?! Get over yourself!! Not only do you have much ignorance of God's word, but you haven't studied it long enough to quotes scriptures from heart. And how can you "Pawn" someone with the word of God???? Pitiful.......
And to the rest, I'm so sorry that you all have such evil thoughts........maybe it is easier to contradict good than evil. Like I said earlier, Gays can't and shouldn't have their rights taken away, but being a homosexual isn't right at all. I feel bad that no one is on my side, thinks i'm stupid, feels very hatred, and people actually wish death towards me............ :(
Being a religious fanatic gets you nowhere in the civilized world.
Non Anti Oddity
26-04-2005, 21:51
I still think that, but if you lie down with dogs, you'll rise with fleas. I don't surround myself with evil and if that makes me Pathetic, then so be it. Typing words can't hurt nobody.......
Only if your dumb enough to not wear a flea collar...
Le Magnifique
27-04-2005, 01:18
Actualy....I have 1 major reason why homosexuality can be wrong.It's a major spreader of aids.I could go on like a man with manors but ehh.....Basicly,Buttsecks can damadge the colon and or rip tisues and when a man's erm...sperm goes in it can cause serious infections and cause new strains of HIV's.Also..with a condom...you can still do damage to the colon and sphincter. ._. Damn I feal stupid for saying all that...
Right.....Die.
I am going to try to pretend that I never heard that ._.
Newzfoxjr
27-04-2005, 02:20
Okay, guys. I know you all think I’m just ‘Jesus boy’ and an ‘Activist’, I don’t care. This is a message board, not real life. I don’t care what you think about me, So I’m just going to say what I want. Not flame, though.
I’ll start with saying, I believe Homosexuality is horribly wrong. Now, I’ll make my points and wrap it up.
Wani
MAT 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.'
MAT 5:44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you
MAT 5:45 in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
ROM 5:6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
ROM 5:7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.
ROM 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
2. God hates and condemns the practice of homosexuality. Both in the Old Testament and the New, this is made clear in many passages. It is against the physical make-up of men and women and the purpose of marriage. Notice the following passages.
LEV 20:13 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
ROM 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
ROM 1:19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
ROM 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
ROM 1:21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
ROM 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
ROM 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
ROM 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them.
ROM 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
1JOHN 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
JAM 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
JAM 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
JAM 1:15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
1CO 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1CO 6:10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1CO 6:11 And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.
I have yet to meet a Christian who I can't convince that homosexuality isn't a sin (Although they don't admit it, they just leave in a bad mood). I can usually prove it's not really against nature as well.
This here's saying that, no matter what, as long as someone believes in their heart and says "Yes, I believe in God", they'll be saved and go to heaven. Nothing there about "Unless they're a homosexual"
(I’m going to answer 2 quotes in one).
Well, Wani, that’s because they are REAL Christians, and you aren’t.
You can’t believe in God and be gay or believe it’s right to be gay and Christian, it goes against what you’re supposed to believe in if you do believe in God and the Bible. And they are probably in a bad mood because they know you are wrong and you’re being stubborn.
Prove? How? If you are a real Christian like you say, you know God made 1 Man and 1 Woman. Why not make 2 couples so they can ‘make their own choices because it’s not wrong to be gay’? I mean, come on Wani. If it was right in the Christian Faith, then something would be in the Bible about it being okay, and if you read anything I’ve said so far, it is not okay. And you should especially know that if you’re ‘Christian’.
Wait, so, basically, I proved you wrong with your own posts, therefore, you won't say anything else.
qed
And Wani, just so you know, this had made me lose all respect I ever had for you, you are mocking TyrinBakuda and saying pwned? How low can you get? Prove your point, but don’t do that.
The Bible was NOT written by God, it was written by many people over time. So you can't say that God hates homosexuality and use The Bible as proof, because God did NOT write The Bible.
Who Wrote the Bible?
http://www.bible.com/answers/afacts.html] 5. Who wrote the Bible?
The Bible was written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit by over 40 different authors from all walks of life: shepherds, farmers, tent-makers, physicians, fishermen, priests, philosophers and kings. Despite these differences in occupation and the span of years it took to write it, the Bible is an extremely cohesive and unified book.
In other words, people were under the inspiration or influence of God when they wrote it. So you’re partcially right, but it is God’s word.
And just for fun…Osiris… (Just because the majority of people here are males…)
In your whole life time it probably wouldn't even affect you.
It's a major spreader of AIDS.I could go on like a man with manors but ehh.....Basically, Buttsecks can damage the colon and or rip tissues and when a man's erm...sperm goes in it can cause serious infections and cause new strains of HIV. Also, with a condom...you can still do damage to the colon and sphincter.
:huh:
Being a religious fanatic gets you nowhere in the civilized world.
Nope! :D
There are bunches of successful ‘Religious Fanatics’. But here are 2.
Jerry Jenkins, and Tim Lahey. Creators of the part fiction part non-fiction Left Behind series. They written around 50 of theses books, 40 for children, 16-18 for adults. The adult versions, each of them were best-sellers. You’ve got to be kidding, telling me that they AREN’T successful, saying that no religious person is anywhere in the ‘Civilized World’. Oh, and by the way, they are HUGE Christians. ;)
GOD will not judge people by which gender they had relationships with
but he/she will judge by if you were a good person!
*Buzzer Sound*
Wrong. If you read the Bible (Because you call yourself a Christian), and the verses I posted above, you’d see that it IS wrong to be gay, and that you are judged by more than if you’re good or not. Not that being good is wrong…>_>
Saying it goes against the bible is the worst arguement ever. God is supposed to love all people. Yet the book that is about him tells people that homosexuality is wrong, and those people are sinners. Doesn't add up.
Yes, it does. God loves the person, but hates the sin. Now, we all sin.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Now, I’m only quoting this because you hinted at God existing.
That’s why Jesus was sacrificed, he took the ultimate sacrifice for OUR sins, so we could be saved, so we could have a way to God. Because there is no way any living being that has ever existed except for Jesus is perfect.
Anyway, I believe being gay is wrong, and there’s no way it’s right. Man and Woman were made for each other, not man and man or woman and woman.
But, this is my belief, believe it…or not.
(By the way, I don't hate gay people, I just disagree with them.)
ironmonkey
27-04-2005, 02:21
Actualy....I have 1 major reason why homosexuality can be wrong.It's a major spreader of aids.I could go on like a man with manors but ehh.....Basicly,Buttsecks can damadge the colon and or rip tisues and when a man's erm...sperm goes in it can cause serious infections and cause new strains of HIV's.Also..with a condom...you can still do damage to the colon and sphincter. ._. Damn I feal stupid for saying all that...
Right.....Die.
Thanks for the pretty picture.
SpiritRuler917
27-04-2005, 02:35
Of course homosexuals should have the same rights as everyone else, they are people too! Hating someone because of their sexual preference is pathetic, that's one small aspect of their life. Also, using religion as an argument doesn't work too well in today's society (in my opinion anyway), it may have worked at one point, different religions belive different things, and more often then not, people just use religion as an excuse. Running to the bible everytime something is disagreed upon is just dumb.
Actualy....I have 1 major reason why homosexuality can be wrong.It's a major spreader of aids.I could go on like a man with manors but ehh.....Basicly,Buttsecks can damadge the colon and or rip tisues and when a man's erm...sperm goes in it can cause serious infections and cause new strains of HIV's.Also..with a condom...you can still do damage to the colon and sphincter. ._. Damn I feal stupid for saying all that...
Correct me if i'm wrong, but don't hetrosexual couples participate in anal sex as well?
Hetrosexuals also spread AIDs just as much as Homosexuals. So really, it's 50/50. And they only reason AIDs is so widespread is because in the 60's blood clinics took people's blood for donations and didn't check it properly. They also didn't check patients's medical history either. The infected blood was then given to patients via transfusion and they would catch HIV/AIDs.
In other words, people were under the inspiration or influence of God when they wrote it. So you’re partcially right, but it is God’s word.
Nowhere in your quote does it say about influence. They were all just "inspired". And let me remind you, there were not God himself.
Newzfoxjr
27-04-2005, 02:39
Influence and Inspiration mean basically the same thing in this subject, They were inspired by God himself, so they wrote that God inspired them to write.
If they were inspired, they had to be influenced...
I'm fine with Gay Marriage, except for one thing. Just don't call it a "Marriage" and I'd be in full support. The laws of Marriage are clearly defined in the biblem the basis of all modern rule, and they clear say that marriage is a sacred bond between man and woman. They deserve all rights as everyone else, if two brothers or two sisters can live together, people of the same sexual orientation should be able to; if they can recieve benefits, Gays should as well.
ironmonkey
27-04-2005, 04:45
Correct me if i'm wrong, but don't hetrosexual couples participate in anal sex as well?
Hetrosexuals also spread AIDs just as much as Homosexuals. So really, it's 50/50. And they only reason AIDs is so widespread is because in the 60's blood clinics took people's blood for donations and didn't check it properly. They also didn't check patients's medical history either. The infected blood was then given to patients via transfusion and they would catch HIV/AIDs.
No comment on the first part... <_<
The reason that homosexuals are branded with the label of HIV/AIDS is because Homosexual (or in this case bisexual) Males are the bridge between heterosexual females and homosexual males. This eventually accumulates to the entire population.
However it started in the beginning, whether HIV/AIDS is a gay disease or not... is unknown, or at least to what I learned in 9th grade health.
Just don't call it a "Marriage" and I'd be in full support.
My feelings exactly.
Dark_Metal_Magician
27-04-2005, 06:46
Well, Wani, that’s because they are REAL Christians, and you aren’t.
You can’t believe in God and be gay or believe it’s right to be gay and Christian, it goes against what you’re supposed to believe in if you do believe in God and the Bible. And they are probably in a bad mood because they know you are wrong and you’re being stubborn.
LOL
well here your wrong
once my sister told me that a homosexual person when to the church to confess and he told the priest that he's gay and he cant change who he is
and the priest said [i dont remember all he said but] ''....continue praying and confessing and be a good person''
Newz here you are the person who doesnt believe in god
Honestly man who r u ppl to say how will GOD judge ppl
and about the part about who wrote the bible your mistaken
you cant trust a website or anyone!
and besides ppl are wrong the only being who is unminstaken is GOD
let me ask u a question
if a homosexual and a killer had 1 minute left to live and they both ask for forgiveness from god but the homosexual's forgiveness wasnt about he's/she's sex life but the rest of his life when he/she would die would he/she go to hell?I THINK NOT
IT DOESNT MATTER WHICH PERSON U F*CK BUT WHAT KIND OF PERSON U R!
Why cant u ppl understand that,
like mathew was a tax collector and see what he accomplised!
IT DOESNT MATTER WHICH PERSON U F*CK BUT WHAT KIND OF PERSON U R!
Best thing said in this whole thread.
BlackObsidian
27-04-2005, 08:54
Can a Moderator please rename this thread "Mostly Religious babble but kinda talking about Gay Rights"?
I know there's a certain degree of crossover but the discussion should be quite simply about your perspective on gay rights...
"Because I'm a devout Christian and it's against my teachings" will suffice, not several pages of what I class as religious drivel which quite frankly ****es me off! "The lord said BLAH and Jesus said BLAH and I know this through several thousand years of translation, selective editing and twisted **** priests kiddy-fiddling in my little deep south town"
Get over yourself, the world doesn't revolve around YOUR views on your brainwashed religion!
I don't read the religion threads any more because they're all full of fruit-loop born-again Christians so can we keep that kind of stuff in the relevant threads?
PLEASE? :(
?!?!?!
What?! You think that getting on this thread, copying a text, manipulating on WHAT you THINK it says, makes you right?!?! Get over yourself!! Not only do you have much ignorance of God's word, but you haven't studied it long enough to quotes scriptures from heart. And how can you "Pawn" someone with the word of God???? Pitiful.......
And to the rest, I'm so sorry that you all have such evil thoughts........maybe it is easier to contradict good than evil. Like I said earlier, Gays can't and shouldn't have their rights taken away, but being a homosexual isn't right at all. I feel bad that no one is on my side, thinks i'm stupid, feels very hatred, and people actually wish death towards me............ :(
Excuse me, is there another meaning to "Don't tell people that they're going to hell"? I see nothing there that says homosexuality is a sin, in fact, I see nothing there that says anything about homosexuality.
MAT 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.'
MAT 5:44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you
MAT 5:45 in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Kindly tell me how this quote has any relevance to homosexuality. Actually, that's quite a good quote, I like that one. For totally unrelated reasons. As I like to say "Love your friends, but love your enemies more 'cause it really gets them really angry."
ROM 5:6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
ROM 5:7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.
ROM 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Yeah, I don't see this quote's relevance to homosexuality either.
2. God hates and condemns the practice of homosexuality. Both in the Old Testament and the New, this is made clear in many passages. It is against the physical make-up of men and women and the purpose of marriage. Notice the following passages.
LEV 20:13 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
Just out of curiousity, how much of the book of Leviticus do you follow? Do you eat shellfish? Pork? Wear clothes made of two different clothes? There are half a million things in there that would, these days, be considered illegal. Leviticus is not a good source for this argument.
ROM 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
ROM 1:19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
ROM 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
ROM 1:21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
ROM 1:22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
ROM 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
ROM 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them.
ROM 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this about false prophets? I don't know, that's how I'm currently reading it. Nothing to do with homosexuality.
1JOHN 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
JAM 1:13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
JAM 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
JAM 1:15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
These have nothing to do with homosexuality either. It just says that sin is bad.
1CO 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1CO 6:10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1CO 6:11 And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.
Ah yes, this quote. I've been WAITING for this one to be thrown up here because it's so easily misread. Firstly, the bit about homosexuals was added in later, as I recall. Secondly, this quote is not designed to say "homosexuality is evil". Going to have to throw your own quote here at you, but...
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 is saying this. Everyone has sinned and nobody will go to heaven. But through God we can be saved.
Also, the latter books of the bible (Excluding probably Revelations), as far as I'm concerned, are not the word of God because they are letters written by a human. Not by God.
(I’m going to answer 2 quotes in one).
Well, Wani, that’s because they are REAL Christians, and you aren’t.
You can’t believe in God and be gay or believe it’s right to be gay and Christian, it goes against what you’re supposed to believe in if you do believe in God and the Bible. And they are probably in a bad mood because they know you are wrong and you’re being stubborn.
Prove? How? If you are a real Christian like you say, you know God made 1 Man and 1 Woman. Why not make 2 couples so they can ‘make their own choices because it’s not wrong to be gay’? I mean, come on Wani. If it was right in the Christian Faith, then something would be in the Bible about it being okay, and if you read anything I’ve said so far, it is not okay. And you should especially know that if you’re ‘Christian’.
Excuse me, I didn't know you suddenly became God and decided who's a real Christian and who isn't. And that second last sentence is just stupid. The bible never says "The internet is okay". Oops, better throw that out. The bible never says "Brick houses are okay". Gotta get rid of that too.
Wait, so, basically, I proved you wrong with your own posts, therefore, you won't say anything else.
qed
Yes, because I wrote the bible. As far as I can see, you tried to prove me wrong with bible verses. You didn't use what I'd posted against myself therefore shut up.
And Wani, just so you know, this had made me lose all respect I ever had for you, you are mocking TyrinBakuda and saying pwned? How low can you get? Prove your point, but don’t do that.
Nah, it's more fun like that.
Pwned.
Oh, and, on a final note saying that homosexuality spreads AIDS is just stupid. That's basically saying almost everyone in Africa is gay. AIDS is worst in Africa, not because of homosexuality, but because of rape.
Here's an idea people: STOP WITH THE DAMN RELIGOUS QUOTES. Those prove NOTHING, because they were written by NORMAL PEOPLE, just like us.
Get over yourself, the world doesn't revolve around YOUR views on your brainwashed religion!
Exactly. There is nothing, NOTHING that I hate more than all you religous fanatics that go on and on about crap thats in the bible, trying to use it as a way to say homosexuality is wrong, or a way to prove Christianity is true. SHUT UP. People don't want to hear that. You Christians are the most arrogant group of people on this planet.
Non Anti Oddity
27-04-2005, 19:32
Holy crap that's a lot of religious bullpoop. STOP USING GOD AS A DEFENSE. Please. This thread was not made to determine whether or not Homosexuality is right or wrong, it was to see if members of the board felt that gay people should have all the same rights and beneifits(sp?) as others. This is what should be discussed and nothing else.
Yamiharrison
27-04-2005, 20:26
If they were inspired, they had to be influenced...
I'm fine with Gay Marriage, except for one thing. Just don't call it a "Marriage" and I'd be in full support. The laws of Marriage are clearly defined in the biblem the basis of all modern rule, and they clear say that marriage is a sacred bond between man and woman. They deserve all rights as everyone else, if two brothers or two sisters can live together, people of the same sexual orientation should be able to; if they can recieve benefits, Gays should as well.
No, Rome was the basis of the rules of the civilized world. The bible directed law during the Dark Ages.
Sickness
27-04-2005, 20:53
I say f*ck religion when it comes to topics such as this, as was said before, the bible was written by man. Whos to say they didn't just make it all up? To me, the bible is a book of opinions that had the trademark word "God" stamped on it so that people in the past wouldn't question it.
Homosexuals deserve the same rights as everyone else. Gender, race, sexual orientation, or religion (blah!), should play no part in deciding who gets this and who gets that.
Man From The Moon
27-04-2005, 21:17
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan ya'll ALL contradicting yourselves!!!! Taking away a person unaliable rights goes against the Constitution, so that right there needs to be left alone. Homosexuality is wrong, point blank, end of discussion. Adam and Eve happened for a reason, and if you say they don't exist then that's a conversation you and Satin may have between yourselves.
Of course you can't convince no TRUE Christian that's it's wrong, because they know the law behind it. Read Romans 10 (many of you may have to go buy a Bible to read it). There was a reason Solomon and Gamora was destroyed by Fire and Brimstone.
Everyone haves they beliefs. Of course they should have freedom, but in the end they'll have to pay for what they've done, and those that hang around them (eventhogh it don't affect them) your just as wrong, because your letting them go down a evil path and you aren't trying to help them.
Of course other members are gonna come and contradict my beliefs, moral, and my "magical sky man", but what Jesus Christ said in the "Holy Bible" is what I will stick with and I'm becoming better at it...................
It's you stupid-ass bible thumpers who should be going to hell,not gay people
People contradict your beliefs and morals becauses they the morals themselves are contradicting.
If God loves everyone,so,why the fock would he hate gay people and throw them to hell?
If God says to love your fellow man,why do you Christians start preaching and bitching about how 'BEING GAY IS AGAINST THE LORD-AH!'
God wants everyone to be happy,right?So,if someone finds happiness in being with someone of the same sex,shouldn't that be right?
This is why I hate religion
(This is for Bile-Thu-er,preach-y-ish Christians in general)
Ok... a few things, if you are said to love your fellow man through thick and through thin in order to be saved then let the gays have their rights, is it hurting your sex life? Is it hurting how you take a ****? I think not.
The bible is something horrible to make a comparison to, because it's 2000 years old for god damned sakes!!!! Don't you think it would have been rewritten by now!?!?!?!? Secondly, if you followed the Bible in Gay Rights as much as you do the other aspcets of your life, it DOES say that going to the bathroom is a sin. But does that take you from taking a crap? HELL NO!
Secondly, Marik, stop making irrelevant posts... you are proving yourself to be a moron, nothing less. News, stop using bible verses... you further contradict yourself by using them. Do judge George Bush by what the bible says? Because if you did, he would be raped, and sold off to donkeys to rape him right now... because he kills for the pleasure of killing...
Let the gays have their rights, so long as their not shoving it up mine... I could care less.
Unfortunately, people are going to use religion as a justification for their homophobia because it's convenient. Which is why I'm trying to stop them from doing that.
Okay, Newz, you want something to do? Find out which of the ten commandments homosexuality breaks.
You know what they say... if you're a homophobe, you really are one in the end... well you see, I'm afraid of dogs.
I know that Michi, but it's horrible, it shows you have no self respect, or conscious to say what you wish to say. If they're gay, then let them be gay... it's not like they hurt anyone by decorating homes, or hair... or doing anything else. And hell, the Constitution grants rights to ALL Citizens under law.
Everyone, this is a warning
This thread's purpose is for users to post their opinions about the given subject
Like all other subject areas on this forum, severely critisizing, "flaming", is not allowed
Anyone should be allowed to post their opinion, free from pressure provided by their peers, and should be able to expect to meet at most, moderate competition.
This level of arguement and abuse is not acceptible
Just watch what you're saying
Also, not everyone here is a culprit at all, some people just seem to be using this thread as an excuse to say how much they hate this or how much they hate that
I get the feeling that last bit was directed at me. Well, I only made one post like that. And why is it you don't tell people to keep their religious stuff in the religion thread?
I get the feeling that last bit was directed at me. Well, I only made one post like that. And why is it you don't tell people to keep their religious stuff in the religion thread?
This whole subject is a sub matter of the entire religious arguement
It's fine to use Religious examples to support one's arguement, everyone's doing it
"God doesn't like gays, yet he likes everyone?" "God condemns anything but lawful marriage".
My warning was directed everyone
Is there something you did that you want me to directly point out?
This whole subject is a sub matter of the entire religious arguement
Wrong. It's only a religious matter to Christians. And as you should know, many people on the message board are Atheist.
It's fine to use Religious examples to support one's arguement, everyone's doing it
It's fine to get drunk and drive around town, everyone's doing it.
It's fine to get drunk and drive around town, everyone's doing it.
I'm sorry, I don't know anyone who has
Find me someone in this thread who has not used the issue of God and Religion in this thread
This would not be controversial if it was not related to religion
It clearly is a conflict, therefore, it is clearly connected to religion
Le Magnifique
28-04-2005, 03:04
Hmhm..Right so its perfectly fine for a man to **** some guy in the ass.I have one final thing here to say....Take a look at male and female genitilia.If a man does a woman, a baby comes of it.If a man does a man.....No baby.My point is....It's not ment to happen.However.Gay people should have the right to be complete fags. :) Sure, as long as they don't force it upon me.But they are...They keep having these "Gay Marchs'" and stuff. Religion should not be pushed on others nor sexual preference. Even tho I belive in God, I am not sitining here saying you all have to or else then leave like TyinBakuda.And unlike Newz I didin't post half the New Testement.I am simply saying men are intented by God or Evolution,whatever you wish to belive to have secks with women.
Fading Existence
28-04-2005, 03:07
Everyone, this is a warning
This thread's purpose is for users to post their opinions about the given subject
Like all other subject areas on this forum, severely critisizing, "flaming", is not allowed
Anyone should be allowed to post their opinion, free from pressure provided by their peers, and should be able to expect to meet at most, moderate competition.
my purpose for this section = kill'd
but when have i ever listened to the rules? PUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yeah and in the end im not even gonna say anything about gays or religion.
BlackObsidian
28-04-2005, 09:24
Excuse me Cyanide but you've contradicted yourself several times here...
This thread's purpose is for users to post their opinions about the given subject
Quoting exact phrases from the bible is not "someone's opinion". A person's opinion is their own belief in a certain subject matter.
If these people had posted something as simple as "I believe in my teachings as a Christian so to me it's wrong" THAT is their opinion, "God blah Jesus blah and in paragraph 2 chapter 7, subsection 3 of dingy dangly it says this" is NOT someone's opinion and shouldn't be shoved into everyone's face!! :maad:
Anyone should be allowed to post their opinion, free from pressure provided by their peers, and should be able to expect to meet at most, moderate competition.
So when someone says "I think it's fine" and gets people screaming back at them with crap like "you'll go to hell" or "you'll pay for it!" etc that's only "moderate competition"???
Quite frankly it's bull**** like that which makes people "flame" or come back with more firepower. How DARE someone impose their own belief system onto someone else??? :maad:
Find me someone in this thread who has not used the issue of God and Religion in this thread
http://www.yu-gi-oh-online.co.uk/showpost.php?p=434920&postcount=11
The only reason the issue of religion was brought into it was because again it was to say "hey, you have your beliefs and it betters your life so that's great but not everyone has those beliefs so be respectful toward others"
This would not be controversial if it was not related to religion
It clearly is a conflict, therefore, it is clearly connected to religion
Of course it'd be contraversial! Does every Christian have the same view as others? Does every Atheist? I have plenty of homophobe friends who are Atheist and plenty of others who are also Atheist and are cool with it or even ARE gay!
Not every conflict is involving religion. You need to open your eyes a little wider... :fail:
Quoting exact phrases from the bible is not "someone's opinion". A person's opinion is their own belief in a certain subject matter.
If these people had posted something as simple as "I believe in my teachings as a Christian so to me it's wrong" THAT is their opinion, "God blah Jesus blah and in paragraph 2 chapter 7, subsection 3 of dingy dangly it says this" is NOT someone's opinion and shouldn't be shoved into everyone's face!!
You're right, thats not an opinion
It's support for their opinion
Any argument should have sufficient evidence to prove a point
So when someone says "I think it's fine" and gets people screaming back at them with crap like "you'll go to hell" or "you'll pay for it!" etc that's only "moderate competition"???
Quite frankly it's bull**** like that which makes people "flame" or come back with more firepower. How DARE someone impose their own belief system onto someone else???
Saying something like that in response is over the level of moderate contradiction
I made that pretty clear
That's obviously not how a mature conversation should continue, firing insults back and forth
Also, no one is forcing there beliefs into someone else
Find me someone who said "This is the only way, everyone must follow it"
If by reading a post, you feel compelled to change your own religion, there's a problem
Someone can be a devout Christian and still is allowed to post their entire arguement, not just what everyone wants to see.
No one here is keeping someone from doing something, by posting here, I am not exactly affecting one's real life.
If this was real life, you might have a point
Everyone believes different thing and should be allowed to express them
Of course it'd be contraversial! Does every Christian have the same view as others? Does every Atheist? I have plenty of homophobe friends who are Atheist and plenty of others who are also Atheist and are cool with it or even ARE gay!
Not every conflict is involving religion. You need to open your eyes a little wider...
Admit it, if it were not related to religion, would there be a conflict? If there was no definition of marriage, there would not be such severe opposition
Every conflict is not about religion
Like the one between us is about, expressing opinion
However, because this thread is about a given subject and its purpose is to express your personal opinion on the topic, do not reply in response to anything that has been said about the nature of this discussion, merely reply with a response to someone's given opinion or begin to discuss your own
Also, no one is forcing there beliefs into someone else
Find me someone who said "This is the only way, everyone must follow it"
Twinbakuda came pretty damn close, with all his rantings about "evil paths" and "evil ways".
Admit it, if it were not related to religion, would there be a conflict? If there was no definition of marriage, there would not be such severe opposition
Of COURSE there would! Why do you think there is nationwide conflict over homosexuality? Not because of religion. The reason is simply because it IS a controversial subject, because it is different. And people can't accept differences of that magnitude. And because they can't accept it, they jump to any source of so-called evidence they can, such as the bible.
Dark_Metal_Magician
28-04-2005, 12:26
Ppl like newfox/tyuinbakura who said be Gay is a sin and they say they are Christians they better think whats the core of their religion and then SPEAK!
Christianism is all about loving each other and be good persons
YOU CANT CRITISIZE OTHERS BASED ON YOUR OPINION!it goes against what u believe in...if u believe it then i guess its time to shu* the f*ck up
Sickness
28-04-2005, 12:50
I just think debates like this should be backed by factual evidence and not rligious beleis especially not the bible as there is no way to proove thats its true. Thats why the word of whatever religion you follow doesn't work, cuz theres a good chance that its all fake. But as said before, homosexuals deserve the same right as everyone else. Just leave it at that. You may think its wrong but its not gonna change things.
Anti Cide
29-04-2005, 02:17
I agree with you much I don't see why people have to attack them just because they like a diffrent gender I mean that's the only thing diffrent about them, it's their own free will. God wouldn't trust human with free will if he didn't think we could handle it...And make our own choices for and against the bible...
DivineDragoon
29-04-2005, 02:34
And is it really my fault that is it put that way for me to believe?! What right is right and what's wrong is wrong. If you choose to go down a particular path, then by all means do it, but the only way you'll know for yourself is when you perish. I can't help the fact we all pay a price for what we do, so don't put it as if I made this up myself.........
I choose to answer this post for one reason....There is no "True" Right or wrong for the fact there are as many systems of Right and Wrongs as there are people....If you say that one thing is wrong and shall always be wrong then well that kinda makes you wrong doesn't it? Some might say killing is wrong yet in some cases it is good....Not saying when....But frankly I could really care less...A Part of me says it is wrong and another part just says to forget about the whole damn thing....
And on a side note. Wouldn't it make you wonder if your place of Worship sounded like it could battle GodZilla? I am of course speaking of "The Mega Church" Thank you Daily Show on Comedy Central! =D Oh and lets not forget "Judges v. Jesues 05! It's Prayback time" :LMAO: Everyone must watch The Daily Show...Funny as hell and ...Well...It is funny as hell :/
BlackObsidian
29-04-2005, 08:30
Admit it, if it were not related to religion, would there be a conflict? If there was no definition of marriage, there would not be such severe opposition
lol Of course there would! Homophobes, geezers, chavs, gangs and groups of kids FREQUENTLY oppose gays in any shape or form. I've seen a gay guy running for his life in a town near me from a group of 10 or so teens who thought he deserved to get kicked-in because of the company he chooses.
I mean if they're going to go that nuts about the guy just cos he's gay can you imagine how nuts they'd go if in their opinion marriage is a sacred thing (not religious)?
I do however agree that MOST of the confrontations around gay marriage stem from the teachings of various religions who feel compelled to shove their beliefs in others' faces (note that I'm not pointing the finger at anyone specific).
this thread is about a given subject and its purpose is to express your personal opinion on the topic
I agree, hence my switching back to the subject for this mail :)
Emerald16
06-05-2005, 12:50
Ppl like newfox/tyuinbakura who said be Gay is a sin and they say they are Christians they better think whats the core of their religion and then SPEAK!
Christianism is all about loving each other and be good persons
YOU CANT CRITISIZE OTHERS BASED ON YOUR OPINION!it goes against what u believe in...if u believe it then i guess its time to shu* the f*ck up
.....pretty strong, but then again I have nothing to say. Being good is one thing, but I don't think it's good to love a man in a "sexual" way. Oh and to answer the question: "Give Gays their rights".
Anti Cide
10-05-2005, 21:30
Wrong. It's only a religious matter to Christians. And as you should know, many people on the message board are Atheist.
Oh yes, and not all Christians agree with it, because many of my friends belive they the presidenyt shouldn't afair with other people's love and be a sexist. I also agree with them. They try to sounds all smart and make reasons for it, but a woman and man can do about as much as a man and man. For god sakes look at Bonny And Clide! :D
MasterRDna
25-08-2005, 22:58
I think that homosexuals should have rights, I just don't feel that I should have to see on the news two guys kissing. >.<
Yeah, I don't exactly like the idea of homosexual marriage. To me, there are man reasons [Non-religious, I might add] why they should not be allowed to marry. However, I'm not going to go out to every homosexual couple I see and say, "You all are sick idiods, you queers!" or anything of that nature.
I figure that if the individual governments of each state don't want to allow marriage, fine. Do whatever you want, it doesn't concern me. If they don't, whatever. It's not going to affect my everyday life.
However, I feel that only women who are attractive should be allowed to marry because that would be hot to see. :D
Seriously, though... My opinion is that I strongly disagree with the whole marriage thing, but I'm going to accept that it does happen and continue with my life. I've no right to interfere with the life of others, just like no one else here does.
As far as gay couples in general go... On that, I've got nothing wrong with it. Really, if you wanna hook up with another man, go ahead! If you wanna be a woman who starts dating Miss America, great! Good for you!
As long as it doesn't interfere with my being able to get a job or being able to live in general, I won't let it bother me. :)
I'm a Christian, for God's sake, and I don't let this bother me. As a Christian, all I'm required to do is to worship God, accept Christ, know I am a sinner, and so on and so forth. Though I am required to try and save my fellow man, no where does it say "interfere with the lives of others in the name of God". I know that mentioning religion is not a good idea, but I'm just going to justify my position.
P.S. I know that I'm pretty much saying the same thing over and over in this post, but I just want to clarify where I stand on the two main issues.
FinalWish
26-08-2005, 00:16
Gays in america have the right to exist.
To the people who say "OMGZ ITZ IN DA BIBLEZ GAYZ R RONG
Guess what. "OMGZ ITZ IN DA CONSTITUNIONZ0RZ THEY DON'T NEED TO LISTEN TO DA BIBLEZ
"They are gross."
I think people without a limb or 2 are gross, doesn't mean we deport them from the f-ckin country.
"BuShz0rz sayz."
Cause he DOESN'T HAVE IT RIGHT.
There, I win. For America anyways.
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